You can do it in any version by tweaking into the void.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tweaking

Sometimes I don't understand you, Red. You hate cheating with a passion, but exploiting broken game mechanics is awwright? So what about RNG abuse then? That's just abusing the fact that the games were programmed with a faulty RNG, so it's not actually using a cheating device, right? But you're getting exactly what you could with a cheating device anyways, so... *sigh* My head hurts...

>>173
I knew about tweaking, but I would also like to do it the original way. Also, these original version carts are rare, though very few would care - it's nice for a collection.
But, your post does still help. Thanks =]

>>174
If it's doable in-game, it's fine by me.
RNG manipulation - fine. Cloning - fine.

What I'm not okay with:
-Anything using ROMs+flashcard. Pokes traded from it are fake, along with event pokes distributed via event-poke ROM. Certainly no save-file manipulation or restoration.
-Anything touched by Action Replay.

>>176
I feel the same way except for the flashcards thing. Roms are essentially a direct rip of the data that comes on the official cartridge, and are no different than the official cartridges. You could make the argument that you can edit roms with Pokesav, but I would rebut with the fact that there are DS-to-USB adapters on the market that would let you do the same with commercial cartridges.
>>174
Cheating is defined as gaining an unfair advantage over an opponent. In-game glitches are available to anyone who has the game; the only thing standing between a player and an advantage acquired through an in game glitch is awareness of said advantage, and by that token glitches and RNG abuse are cheating to the same extent that EV training is cheating.

>>176
>Anything using ROMs+flashcard. Pokes traded from it are fake, along with event pokes distributed via event-poke ROM. Certainly no save-file manipulation or restoration.

I have a flashcard and I don't see how something I spend very literally days breeding to get as close to perfection is fake in any shape or form. Not to mention that probably roughly half of people you'll met use flashcards. Also, there are devices that can extract and replace the save on commercial cards, so it's not like people who have only a 'legit' card can't have a homemade shiny wondertomb.

Also, following that logic, the Darkrai I caught on Newmoon Island is hacked, but the one you caught by abusing a glitch is legit... ?

>>177
You can't edit the rom with Pokesav. One could argue that exploiting glitches is different that using mechanics purposefully implemented by programmers, but if we 'played pokemon like it was meant to be played', competitive battling scene wouldn't exist so eh.

>>176
So, what you're saying is, if I took a flashcard and, with a ROM pulled from an actual game cart, used PokéSAV to make a pokémon that was actually legitimate right down to the hidden hex values being spotless...

Basically, I did what RNG manipulation and hard work could do by hand, just cutting out the middle-man because I'm too busy with classes and stuff to actually do it the long way...

And that things that check for hacked pokémon say it's legitimate...

Despite all that, you'd still say that it's fake? And just because a pokémon that I spent hours and hours breeding was bred on a flashcart, it's fake too?

Your logic... I don't particularly see it.

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It's easy to construct an argument about the point at which a bunch of grains of sand constitutes a pile of sand. The *easiest* thing to go by is the definition Nintendo uses, which is (not coincidentially) the definition that ensures you are using its products - if you only used legit hardware to do it, it's kosher - but it's equally valid to say on one end "no glitches or RNG abuse, play as intended" or on the other "playing on a flashcart is still playing". Personally, I prefer to play on a flashcart because I once lost a cart with some Pokémon I had an emotional attachment to and now *will never get back*; being able to back up my save ensures that that can't happen again. But that doesn't invalidate the viewpoint that says a Pokémon isn't real unless it was generated on a "real" cartridge, or, on the other hand, the idea that bit-identical Pokémon is identically "legit". In the end, I think it comes down to what you're trying to get out of the game when you play it, and what makes the Pokémon "real" for whatever that purpose may be.

>>239
Essentially this is what I've been saying all along. In the end the definition of what is or isn't illegitimate is up to each person's opinion on a handful of issues. So long as nobody's getting bigoted about anything, I'm okay with whatever you feel. I can live with people thinking my caught-normally-on-a-ROM monsters or bit-perfect hacks are illegitimate just as long as they don't:
-Berate me for it
or
-Think they are any better if they use alternative "shortcuts" like GTS cloning or RNG abuse.

i got the glitch by trading cresselia and trading it back to my diamond. it gave me the key item for the darkrai event even though i have the english version :P